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Van Hollen: House Republicans Fast Becoming the Party of No-bama

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Chairman Chris Van Hollen released the following statement on House Republicans' unanimous opposition to President Obama's economic recovery bill.  House Republican Leaders proudly boasted that they would "just say no" to President Obama's economic recovery plan, despite his efforts to work with them, and compared their tactics to the tactics of the Taliban.

"Americans will hold House Republicans accountable for just saying no to saving and creating three to four million jobs and the largest tax cut in American history.  

"House Republicans are fast becoming party of No-bama.  Americans will hold Republicans accountable for being the party of no - no to President Obama's economic recovery, no to children's health care, and no to equal pay for women doing equal work."

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I’ll support any group that says NO to higher taxes, NO to subsidizing stupidity and laziness, and NO to squandering my tax dollars on government pork.

Posted by Jim in California | 02/13/09, 08:03 PM EST

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, in accordance with the rules set forth by the Omnipotent and most honorable Ruler of these United Socialist States Of America, we give seven (7) Democrats who hitherto were acceptable by the Democratic party, and all of whom who did not embrace the Porkulae Billicus Plan, to be placed in stocks in the common gathering area of the town square and stoned without haste until they become common hypocritical, dumbed-down illiterate voters in agreement with their Liberal leaders, and Hollywood celebrities alike. So here we, believers in Change And Hope, on this Friday the 13th, 2009 invest this sentence forthwith for the common good of The Liberal Left, The Liberal Left, and The Liberal Left.

Posted by Rod Serling in The Twilight Zone | 02/13/09, 11:19 PM EST

Obama ran on the promise Hope and Change.
But he is delivering Gloom and Doom!

We have thoroughly discussed the first two of the closing three bullet points in the above statement, but I couldn’t help but notice the last part that was slipped in:

“no to equal pay for women doing equal work”!?!?!?!

What does this have to do with stimulus?  Or is this one of those secret passages in this bill that NOBODY read before they voted for it. IF that is even in the bill, and is not just a throw-away line, then it is a perfect example of why there should have been much further review of this before it was voted on.  And perhaps the Republicans should have been allowed to be present when the bill was written, so they could have the chance to know that Civil Rights for Women had been included in the Stimulus Package.

Posted by Chris D in Left Coast | 02/14/09, 04:11 AM EST

The propoganda mill you run here is so utterly transparent and false, that I am certain it exists soley for ferreting out dissenters.  I have not seen a single post that is in agreement with anything the DCCC put forth.

Naturally you make out the Republicans to be obstructive, rather than trying to inject some reasonably jurisprudence into the situation.  A Bill that not one single person has read, yet will have the singel largest economic affect on this country then any other Bill ever passed, rightfully deserves at least to be READ don’t you think?  (well, apparently not)

Already Democrat pundits are feebly mumbling their defense:  “well, this is an emergency situation that required urgent speed”.  Wrong!  This is a disaster that Government itself brought forth because this is the way you ALWAYS operate, and hence, you have just created another disaster by doing the same old thing over again.

YOu cannot talk of “immediate need for action” on one hand, when any releif for indivdiuals does not come out of your package for 18 months”.  Your party is going to drown in it’s own regurgitated drivel! 

We know what you did.  We know why you did it. It had nothing to do with stimulating the economy. It had everything to do with usurping Democracy and moving forward your take-over agenda.  One does not move with such haste when the CBO says it will not work, when every single Economist in the world;  (except those that you hire to reflect back what you tell them you need to hear); says it will not work. 

It will not.  It is at once both a tragedy that you would do this to the American People, while on the other hand it is a blessing to know that Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodds, and Obama will never serve another term in office.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/14/09, 09:34 AM EST

Wow, the comments section is HILARIOUS.  I am proud of our Republican congressmen for standing up against this awful wasteful bill, and I hope that the next two years (cause we are coming in the 2010’ election) does not bear more of the same socialistic policies that Obama has brought.

Posted by Nick ( www ) | 02/14/09, 10:51 AM EST

I’m kinda happy some of our tax dollars will be spent here rather than disappearing down that money hole in iraq.  So if you are SO against the bailout, write your congressman and let them know your community doesn’t need any of it and can go somewhere else where the economy has hit them harder.

Posted by dave r | 02/14/09, 03:05 PM EST

“I’ll support any group that says NO to higher taxes, NO to subsidizing stupidity and laziness, and NO to squandering my tax dollars on government pork.”

What pork?  What stupidity?  What laziness?  You haven’t said anything.  And as for higher taxes, how do you think all the money Bush and the Republicans borrowed to pay for the war while cutting taxes for the wealthy is going to be repaid?  More tax cuts?

Posted by Jeff | 02/14/09, 04:31 PM EST

‘dave r’, with all due respect, what do you mean?  Are you saying a township can simply deny need of funds and ask that the money be allocated elsewhere?  Are you serious?  These funds are earmarked and can only be spent in the fashion for which they were designed.  Overseas abortions, polar bear exhibits, sod for the Washington Mall, mouse preservation, train from Los Angeles to Nevada, A.C.O.R.N. (lotta good they do) etc, etc. How do reassign crap like that so it does anybody any good dave?

Posted by littlebuddie | 02/14/09, 05:01 PM EST

“Does anybody in his or her right mind think that the biggest spending spree in history has to be voted on before anybody reads it today or else the economy will collapse?”

Rush Limbaugh, 13 FEB 09

Posted by Rush in your radio | 02/14/09, 11:07 PM EST

Hey DCCC, CNN,the Media, and the like…The American people are going to hold the republicans responsible for something…their values,how they vote for the people that they represent. Saying No is what we want them to say, we don’t agree with this pork bill!!!!!  You left wing people don’t have a care in the world for the American people, just yourselves! We are saying No OBAMA, PELOSI, and the rest of the Liberals. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, ACLU, and Pelosi plus others are keeping racial tension in America….step aside you Hippocrates the American people are tired of you dividing us…we are just Americans!

Posted by Russell | 02/15/09, 03:32 AM EST

Russell wrote:

“You left wing people don’t have a care in the world for the American people, just yourselves!”

Russell, it’s sad to say but there is not a brain amongst the left wing crowd.  They don’t read, they don’t think about the future, actually they don’t think much at all. And America is presently stuck at their kindergarten level whether we like it or not. It’s all about putting their hand out to beg for another free ride and another cup of Kool-Aid. I’m not giving up Russell, I’m not standing still for another load of dirt thrown at me. I’ve been quiet too long and I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.

Posted by littlebuddie | 02/15/09, 09:43 PM EST

Daver said I should tell my Congressmen to try to keep the money out of Arkansas, I wish it were that easy.  Really, if I could avoid the massive tax burden this will eventually place at the door of my state, trust me we would be pushing for it, but that is not how the game is played.

Posted by Nick Cochran ( www ) | 02/15/09, 11:07 PM EST

“Daver said I should tell my Congressmen to try to keep the money out of Arkansas, I wish it were that easy.  Really, if I could avoid the massive tax burden this will eventually place at the door of my state, trust me we would be pushing for it, but that is not how the game is played.”

Nick is exactly right.  Wait until this “bill comes due” folks…it might look like something that is going to save the world now, but where is all this money going to come from?

Angela from Aberdeen

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Posted by Angela in Aberdeen, WA ( www ) | 02/16/09, 12:05 AM EST

Here is a post I made to soe Left winger who did not “get it”, I repost it here. 

By standing up against this Bill, unbeknownst to you, (the Left wing nut) we are trying to help you, and millions of mindless idiots such as yourself that lack the ability to think and in all liklyhood cannot even work a pencil. Stretch those two neurons you possess around this:

1. We currently have INTEREST ONLY debt of 300 billion dollars per annum, we have just now signed over an additional INTEREST ONLY payment of 475 billion per annum. Last year the Government LOST about 600 billion.

2. Assuming you could add those 3 numbers together, what do you think will happen next? (oops, allow me to answer this for you, I don’t want you blow up your cortex)..We will have to bail-out the Government (in essence). You see, it is not the Goverment giving money out of their corporate treasure chest to us, it is the Government pre-spending OUR money, in the hopes then they can devise ways later to get it back. How do you think they are going to get it back when it flies out of their hands faster then they could ever hope to collect it? Let me give you a clue…They are going to tax the living hell out of you…Thats how! (duhhhhh).

3. In the stock market, this is called “futures”. It is known as a high risk investment. In very basic terms, the “risk” here is that this will help you make enough money now, so they can take it away from you later. (once again….duhhhhhhh).

4. This is all our money, all our childrens money, even all our grandchildrens being put on the Pass Line, rolling the dice…and IF it does not work…“oops”...But it does not change the fact that WE will have to pay it back.

5. If you could see beyond your narcotized mantra induced by your Obama coin swaying about your neck that evoked your moronic hypnosis, you MIGHT be a tad concerned when the Governments very own CBO (Congressional Budget Office, a bi-partisan economic risk assessment agency), says that this plan will not work.

6. You might have taken a moment to reflect (assuming you have the necessary anatomical cerebral infrastructure of a blood-brain barrier which enables this capacity), “hmmm…they are rolling the dice on somehting that will affect the People of this Nation for decades to come, and NO ONE has even read the Bill”...“maybe with so much at stake, they oughta read it”! (duhhhh).

I could go on and on as to how/why we are actually trying to help those like you that lack the capacity to think for themselves, but at this juncture, I would have to begin to speak beyond the level of what a nematode could grasp, so I will leave you first to grapple with 6th grade economics. WHen you are ready for your next lesson, I will be more than happy to help you.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/16/09, 07:13 AM EST

Inasmuch I was trying to help this poor misguided Leftist wingnut out…I added:

Nancy Pelosi comes out and announces the passage of this Bill, and the only time I have ever seen a woman looking so happy is when she is riding a Sybian. IF this is a crises of such tantamount import, why is she so happy? Should there not be a demeanor that is consistent with the gravity of the situation? Every body pretty much unaminousmly beleives there needs to be a stimulus, even Republicans. Do you think the sour looks on the Republicans face were because someone took away their ball? No. Pelosi is in orgasmic nirvana because the Democrats stuffed into this situation everything they had for themselves ever wanted, hence the elation. The Republicans are unhappy because they tried to save this country and to help people like you, that will not be helped ONE IOTA by this Bill.

If you go to the DCCC, there is an article there bashing a Republican Congressman for using $20,000 last year, of taxpayers money, to fuel his car. However, no where on the DCCC site does it mention that Pelosi spends $60,000 per DAY on jet fuel for her private jet. NO where does it mention that she was dissatisified with her 9 million dollar Gulftream, and decided she needed a full sized jetliner for herself. No where does it mention that she is the ONLY Speaker of the House in the history of this country to have her own taxpayer paid for super duper jetliner (that she is taking to Italy tomorrow for her 8 day vacation…on YOUR money). But you know what she will be preaching to YOU next: “I think we need to introduce a carbon footprint tax to help ‘green’ America’.” such hypocrisy!

Now consider this: While your candidates run a campaign targeted to address the poor and mindless such as yourself, they themselves are all MEGA millionaires. The Rockefeller Foundation last year took in 3.7 trillion dollars. Our ENTIRE gross income as a Nation last year was 17 trillion! Kennedy’s ain’t doing so bad either. Neither is Kerry. The Clintons made 330 million last year. Michelle Obama made 1.7 million (as I recall). Basically, they ALL are very well off. They do even need their salaries, it is like chump change to them. Yet, the FIRST thing they do is vote themselves a 10% raise. The second thing they did was vote themselves $93,000 EACH ‘pocket money’. Yup, they are really looking out for you! Let’s take Leon Pancetta as an example, last year he made $700,000 in speaking engagements. They ALL make extra money by doing this…they make more money on the side part time then you will probably ever see in your life…BUT..they needed that 10% raise! Now stay with me here…

Once a congressman or a senator gets elected and serves a SINGLE stint in office (which will not happen because of the corrupt political system), but assuming they worked for just ONE cycle…they will continue to get paid for LIFE, with full benefits and perks. And they receive this because they managed to show up 130 days per year, to do a half-assed job with any lack of competence or integrity.

If you want to shake your fist, do not shake it at other people…shake it at your leaders that have raped you, stolen your social security, and continue to pillage you because you are too stupid to know any better.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/16/09, 07:18 AM EST

A few basic economic points… don’t worry, I will go slow.
1. Taxes affect the economy. They do not occur in a vacuum. Taxes affect the behavior of consumers, who see the extra cost as a penalty. People will shy away from what is being taxed. Don’t believe me? Then explain the extreme taxes on cigarettes. They exist purely to penalize the consumer in an effort to get them to stop. A few years ago liberals thought the rich people who bought new yachts should be penalized, so they hiked up the luxury tax for new boats. Guess what? Fewer new boats were bought and all that happened was boat builders lost jobs. This also leads to my next point:
2. Higher taxes do not necessarily bring in more revenue. Because of point (1), people behave differently when they are taxed. Raise taxes on product A, people will switch to product B. Increasing income taxes simply leaves employees with less money to spend (or save)—and for the economy to work, money must be changing hands. LOWERING taxes stimulates the economy for this reason. And a stimulated, bustling economy brings in more tax revenue than a stagnant, over-taxed one.
3. Economics is not a zero-sum game. This point is for all those “share the wealth” socialists. Value can be CREATED. The classic example is the man who makes wooden chairs out of the trees in his back yard and sells them. Let’s say government does what you want, robs from the rich, rapes their estates, and hands out everything in equal proportions to everybody. But wait, this man made a chair and sold it for $100. That’s $100 NOBODY ELSE HAS! Because he created it in the form of a chair. In your socialist dreamworld, he would then have to hand that entire $100 to the state to be distributed or else the chair must be destroyed—but in either case, why would he have bothered to make the chairs in the first place?
4. Obama is a socialist, and this will be his downfall. Deal with it. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried—but it is the logical extreme of the liberal class-warfare agenda. It will fail here too, spectacularly. Here I refer to the ironically named “Stimulus” bill, in case you were lost. If you can’t see that it is simply an attempt to turn this nation into a socialist regime, then maybe YOU should do what your congressmen didn’t: read the bill. If all you can counter with is, “But it’s a STIMULUS plan!” then you should sign off your computer and go back to watching American Idol and the E! Network.

Posted by KriWulph in Albany, GA ( www ) | 02/16/09, 11:50 AM EST

Wow KriWulph, very well said..  you failed to mention unforntunately that you are a Liberal, and a now ex-Deomcrat.  The impact of you being a registered Democrat and Obama voter, now totally soured by the party you supported, would have been the punch-line to your excellent post.  Government cannot move fast enough to stem the tide of how 2010 is going to leave those subversives out of office…and hopefully, in chains for crimes against the Country.

Posted by spinpolico | 02/16/09, 12:54 PM EST

I enjoy reading your views ‘spinpolitico’ and ‘KriWulph’. You should post your very informative thoughts on Daily Kos or MoveOn.Org. if you can stand the bad smell there.  It would be interesting to see how long your posts stayed up on the board before being removed. Liberal’s of small stature on these Socialist websites practice daily utilization of ‘The Fairness Doctrine’ as the doctrine itself looms in the mist waiting for the moment when by dictate of law, it forever silences those in disagreement with their views. I would like to see a bombardment of all the Liberal websites with common sense things they don’t want to hear. Unfortunately, when opposition does knock at their door, they are quick to get in your face, shout you down and shut you up just as King Obama has instructed them. Few Liberals come here to DCCC because they are afraid to appear and speak their nonsense without their choir behind them.  They know they are spineless but also believe no one can stop the magnificent joy ride they have embarked on now.  I realize what I say here is heresy to the Obama-Nation but damn it, I’m not going to be dragged off to the Socialist-Liberal gallows quietly!

Posted by littlebuddie | 02/16/09, 07:02 PM EST

THX for the great analysis KriWulph! 

To bad though, that this is all lost on the lib’s here.  They would have to read and then understand concepts that you are discussing.  Since the education system has not readied them for this, and the mainstream media (without proof) contradicts your points day in and day out, they are unwilling and unable to grasp your conclusions.

Good job creating pearls of wisdom.  To bad these pearls are being put before swine.

Posted by Chris D in Left Coast | 02/16/09, 08:54 PM EST

I.they did all this all when the republicans were in power
1 were four trillion more in the hole
2 contract went you to make cheney rich of the back of sick military with dirty water and outdated food
3 the rich are stupid and lazy this

all this happen under george w bush

Posted by steve | 02/16/09, 10:19 PM EST

Littlebuddie…

Thanks for the comment.  I made 38 posts at the Daily Kos.  I am convinced they are insane. I have had some interesting conversations with Liberals and others with divergent views, however, the Daily Kos and Huffington Post are soooooo far to the Left that their head went up their butt and popped back out thru their mouths. What you see is the isomere of the original head!  lol

I have also posted at change.org.  Interestingly enough, when both candidates were running, I joined each of their sites to read up on the issues each were purporting.  On McCain’s blog site, there was so much HATE mail from the Lefts it was unbelievable, yet, it was all posted uncensored.

Conversely, if you post a dissenting view on a Liberal site, they are typically not posted.  They have strict censorship.  When at Obama’s site, I asked ONE question, ONE time, and politely, which simple was this (verbatim)

1.  Why do you support the Fairness Doctrine?
2.  Why do you support the EFCA?
3.  Why do you support the Gobal Poverty Act?

I was sent a letter saying that if I should make any further inquiries that were not germain to the issues they had outlined, that I would be banned from the site.  (ironically, ever since then, I still get almost daily their request for my money…I write them back and ask them…“how much will it take to make you go away”?)  They have not provided me as yet any dollar amount.  lol

That dissenting views are allowed here leads me only to believe that they are compiling lists of those that they deem “subversive”, so at a later day when they inact H.R.-5122 (which has been renamed, but I don’t recall off top of my head), they can round us all up and imprison in. This Bill, which supercedes the States rights to declare Martial Law, also enables them, without due process of law, to decalre any group or individual a ‘detriment, subversive, or undesriable’ at their discretion. 

Admittedly, the Patriot Act pretty much also does the same thing, it is just whose hands do you trust such power to be in, one that was rather benign (if not totally lackluster when it came to the people), or a man who has cleary demonstrated his bid for absolute power and total control?  There is a reason that since his election retailers cannot keep up with the demand for guns or ammo…and similiary, there is a reason why Obama is feverntly undermining totally the 2nd Amendment, now from the 3rd direction via H.R.-45. 

If you really look at what is truly the machinations behind all this…it is a reincarnation of exactly the models Hitler used to take over Germany.  What should have REALLY woke people up was the fact he wants to take over teh Census Bureau. If that did not shake the dust out from between their ears, I have no idea then how to talk to anyone that stupid.

These subversives in our Society know exactly how to talk to the illiterate masses…just take OUR money and throw it at them.  We are working hard to try to save America, and ultimately I am sure we will be successful, for Obama will drown in teh juices of his own over-reaching juices of Liberal fetishism.  However, if we fail, for the first time in history, you will be witnessing the doors swinging the other way as people LEAVE this country and just allow them to wallow in their own stench. 

Their are a myraid of people in history I genuinely admire, and what follows is a quote by Thatcher:  ‘the problem with socialism is eventually run out of everyone else’s money’. 

In his egomaniacal unfettered bid for self-aggrandizement, coupled with the Power hungry theives swirling about his ankles, he will bankrupt this nation.  He doesn’t really care.  He wants only serfs and Rulers.  What is comforting to know is that civil uprising and the total overthrow of Government IS possibly, happening even in recent times.  If he pushes too far, eventually people will push back.  He has even maligned some of his base in this utterly transparent bid for Dictator.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/16/09, 11:34 PM EST

Steve..

Seems to me the Liberals such as yourself are always calling the Conservatives rich.  Are you a moron??  Not only are you totally out of sync of the Red/Blue demographics apparently, you also most not even have a clue as to who is in the Democratic Party, or the heavy weight Democrat supporters.  It is because idiots such as yourself exist, that they are successful in making you a puppet.  Allow me to enlighten you nematode brain.

1. Rockefellers (their foundation earned 3.7 trillion dollars last year, about 1/4 the entire US GDP!)

2. Rothchilds
3. Kennedy’s
4. Kerry
5. Clintons made 330 million last year…not too shabby
6. check your party, every single one of them is gaszillionaires.

Now…Democrat supporters

7. Bill Gates
8. George Soros
9 Warren Buffet
10.Turner
11.O. Winfrey..

and yet, you call the Republicans the rich fat cats??  Are you on drugs, or are you just too stupid to look, listen, or read?

Posted by spinpoltico | 02/16/09, 11:40 PM EST

Littlebuddie

I rest my case!  See what I mean?  Some people are just too stupid to even talk to.  Let’s see, the Democrat spent $597,000,000 on their presidential campaign, and had apprx 100 million left over.  But htey sure as hell were not conservative in their expenditures!  (guess why that is why the call them liberals…they are VERY liberal with other peoples money, but this nitwit Steve doesn’t ‘get it’)  lol

Conversely, the Republicans had and spent $84,000,000.

No Republic speaker of the house ever bought themselves a jetliner and spent $60,000 per day on jetfuel, (while waving at the steps of her private plane and saying things like:  “we must help the poor”, or “we must be ‘green’).  These Democrats are in part an delight to watch, their blatant disregard for others and utter hypocrisy is INCREDULOUS!!  It just is so damn pitiful when the Steve’s of this world believe it.  Steve, and those like him, make me take sides with Pelosi and support her wholeheartedly in “abortion”.  There really should never have been any reason to allow poor steve to have been born.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/16/09, 11:49 PM EST

Clarification for Steve (cuz I am sure he would misinterpret if I did not)

Nany Pelosi’s plane?  YOU bought it for her.  Yep, thats right, OUR tax dollars pays for her jet, and her fuel.  BTW, did you know the FIRST thing they did when they took office was vote themselves a 10% raise? Its in their paycheck already…YOUR releif is said to be 12 to 18 months away.  Oops…one other thing Stevie, did ya know they also voted themselves $93,000 EACH pocket money, just to have on hand cuz ‘ya neveah know’.  They took YOUR money already..right there in their pocket,all warm and cozy.  Did you know that if one of these nitwits, Democrat or Republican alike, serves just ONE term (which equates to 130 days per year, which is basically just to come to work as if OUR money was there bank, that they have to pop into every now and then and make another withdrawal), that they get retirement pay with untold benefits for the REST OF THEIR LIVES? 

Now steve consider this as you are flipping burgers at McDonalds.  You have to actually work to even keep your job.  If you want some kind of meager retirement, you must work for 20 years!  If you want to supplement that retirement with Social Security…oopsie…THEY stole it all, you ain’t getting any.  I know they taxed you for it all your life, I know it is legally and rightfully yours…so what ya gonna steve, sue them?  They are laughing at you, even harder then I am, for what you fail to understand steve is that I am really on your side. The People are on your side.  You shake your fist at those that would help save you, while you applaud those that have bent you over and banged you like you were Angelina Jolie on extasy.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/17/09, 12:04 AM EST

“...You shake your fist at those that would help save you, while you applaud those that have bent you over and banged you like you were Angelina Jolie on extasy.”

Steve and his ilk just might understand what you mean there spinpolitico, you have the ability to home in on their wavelength.  Unfortunately, at the present time, the rest is wasted on their inability to read, think, and comprehend.  If you told an 8 year old that he had the choice of a free X-Box game today or an all expense paid college education in 10 years, he’d take the game.  This sort of childish ignorance is swiftly becoming the foundation of adult mentality in our nation.

Posted by littlebuddie | 02/17/09, 12:59 AM EST

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.”—Wintson Churchill

While American fundamental principles erode right beneath our feet, there has also been a pernicious toxicity brewing: Pathological Socialism. The groundwork has been laid for many years for Socialism to come out of the closet. I refer to it as Pathological Socialism because what is being foisted upon us far exceeds the definition of Socialism

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and an egalitarian society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals and a fair or egalitarian distribution of wealth.

Capitalism is an economic system in which land, labor, capital and other resources, are owned, operated and traded by private individuals or corporations for the purpose of profit, and where investments, distribution, income, production, pricing and supply of goods, commodities and services are determined by private decision in a market economy] rather than through government control or central economic planning by the state.

Economists have debated back and forth for years as to which model produces the greater impact of wealth upon a Nation. Neither wins. There are no economic proofs that clearly confer upon either model a clear and distinct winner. Eric Fromm and other re-known Psychologists have put forth psychological theories to differentiate the two. Those theories tend to get obfuscated with altruistic philosophies, and as such further muddy the waters. I prefer to just make a general commentary on the mind-set that differentiates the two paradigms. (since i only have 10,000 characters)

The American spirit was evident in the words contained within the Declaration of Independence. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” These are words of ‘self-determinism’, giving the individual a Government that allows for a persons own pursuits. The Constitution neither confers greater rights to the individual, nor does it in any way limit an individual so long as they are operating within the Law; which of itself, does not limit anyone’s pursuit of happiness nor success. A self determined life recognizes that the onus of responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the individual. One has the right to pursue their dreams, but no where is it stated that one is entitled to their dreams. Without getting tangled up in all the theological and philosophical aspects of self-determinism, for purposes of this post I will simply define the drives behind it in its most basic terms:

Need for competence: refers to the need to experience oneself as capable and competent in controlling the environment and being able to reliably predict outcomes.

Need for autonomy: refers to the need to actively participate in determining own behavior. It includes the need to experience one’s actions as result of autonomous choice without external interference.

Need for relatedness: refers to need to care for and be related to others. It includes the need to experience authentic relatedness from others and to experience satisfaction in participation and involvement with the social world. Legislated relatedness is not authentic.

Lacking the attendant responsibility of self-determinism is where socialism over-extends its basic supportive role in our society. Obviously those that are in some way handicapped deserve our assistance. Those that have been discriminated against deserve a fair chance. Yet socialism has become the forerunner to Liberalism, inasmuch that socialism exploded beyond its economically defined boundary becomes a model of equalizing humanity. In our modern reiteration of socialism, equal opportunity is translated to mean ‘everyone should be equal’. This is a perversion.

By brief definition, a perversion is a deliberate distortion of truth. As such, it can be said that Liberalism is a perversion inasmuch that it has vastly distorted the basic tenant of Socialism. In this new perverted model of socialism; religion is perverted, sex is perverted, education is perverted, nationalism and patriotism are perverted. Everything that made America the country that it was, is eroded by the insanity of perversion.

If you are inclined to study perversion in more depth, you can do so by picking up a DSM-IV. Of course the word perversion was too offensive to some, so the perversions are now classified as ‘paraphilia’. It is interesting to note that all perversions always seek ‘more’. The sick mind is voracious in its appetite, always consuming, never giving, and never sated. America is being consumed by this ravenous appetite, as perversion seeks justification behind rationalization and false nobility.

It can be argued that the perversion of modern Socialism had its origins in narcissism. Simplifying narcissism, it can be said that narcissism is a defense against Emptiness as it struggles to ameliorate the anxieties between Ego and Object. This severely truncates the maturation process and gives rise to all manner of psychological and social aberrations. This anomaly can be witnessed in both the Socialistic and Capitalistic modalities. In the opening quote by Churchill, he mentions the vice of Capitalism. He points out that self-determinism which leads to unfettered greed without moral or social consciousness is exploitive. He then infers that those unwilling to take upon themselves the responsibility of self-determination seek to bring down others in an attempt to assuage their misery. Let’s consider the validity of both statements in todays modern world.

Greed surely can get out of hand. We have witnessed one company after another that has illegally crossed the line. Those that have done so will/should suffer the consequences of their greed. In our modern society, the ills of Capitalism have largely been eradicated. We have heard of the 10 or so companies that have abused their power, yet there are 100’s of thousands of companies that don’t make the news, because they are conducting business in a legal or moral fashion. It is interesting to note that many employee benefits were the outcome of businesses themselves. Inasmuch that a company exists to make profits, consideration of how to obtain its goal necessarily led theorists to consider the human element. How to inspire, how to lead, how to motivate, how to invigorate, how to illicit cooperation. The individual is not only becoming more cared for because of the necessity for profit, but also legally protected under current Laws. We have minimum wages, building codes, Labor Boards, and all manner of protections in-place to insure the rights of the worker. More importantly, we have the open competitive markets that give freedom of choice to an employee to seek a better deal for themselves. If an employee assumes his/her responsibilities and performs in an exemplary manner, they will be sought after by other companies. Self-responsibility dictates that the individual determines their own worth. Pathological narcissism and attendant perversions have been largely check-mated by either Law or enlightened business models. The greed of narcissistic emptiness which will seek profit by any means, is largely checked from becoming exploitive.

Conversely, the new Social Liberalism shouts “i deserve”. Rather then struggling with the maturation process of defining self, it cries out from the dark womb of emptiness and ineptitude. It seeks comfort in the same manner that an infant suckles at the breast. When a person has not adequately matured within the family environment, they seek an over emphasized need from Society. Most psychological disorders can be traced to having their roots in an imbalance between Home and Society. Society is unfeeling. Society does not give narcissistic supplies to the individual. Society is largely neutral, allowing one to be the author of their own life and merely awaits a person to pick up the chalk and pen the script for their existence. Society bestows upon the individuals that inhabit it the self-deterministic ‘freedom of choice’. When there are aberrations in those supplies that spring forth from the home, then an individual seeks more from Society then its intended purpose. Society is then subconsciously perceived as the Mother’s Breast, and those that remain fearful of life want to suck Society dry. The tit of society becomes the pacifier against the fear of maturation and the responsibilties inherient therein.

For the purposes of brevity, I will give one concrete example of how this perversion of Liberalism affects us. Consider the following statistics:

U.S. Mortality Rates for 2007

Heart disease: 652,091
Cancer: 559,312
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 143,579
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809
Diabetes: 75,119
Alzheimer’s disease: 71,599
Influenza/Pneumonia: 63,001
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 43,901
Septicemia: 34,136
HIV/Aids: 14,627

The Annual Budget of the Center for Disease Control has allotted a full 2/3rd’s of it’s entire budget to AIDS research! Bear in mind that 67% of this disease is caused by male-to-male sexual relations; in other words it could be largely prevented simply by not sticking one’s organ where it does not belong, or at least; if you must; do so with protection. So while our tax dollars are being spent on the few, the many continue to die. Why? Because the perversion of Liberalism has so effectively lobbied for consideration of their particular deviant behavior, that normality suffers at the hand of this false mantra “equality for all”.

Posted by spinpolitco | 02/17/09, 01:18 AM EST

no just the people who post are morons, and the republican stole social security.  The only distortion comes from the minds of the poster here who are to stupid to read history. Clinton cam in to office and raised taxes and balanced budget and the economy grow at 22 million job
bush only had 5 million jobs and spent 4 trillion on wasted tax cuts and war for oil it will take a democratic president and congress to balance the budget again

Posted by steve | 02/17/09, 02:28 PM EST

Steve: you are out of you mind! Clinton, Harry Reid,  Barny Franks, and several other democrats planned this mess we are in for over ten years, and Obama, Pelosi joined in the last 2-8 years. If I remember correctly the top cats of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were democrats and they left them two companies in ruins and they took off with millions. You call Clinton a good leader? How about immoral, liar, and he left the White House in ruins..stole white house plates, computers, and the like…What will Obama steal? Obama right now is stealing capitalism! He is no different than Hitler.

Posted by Russell | 02/17/09, 02:46 PM EST

Steve, Clinton should have been praised for getting the deficit down, but he never balanced the budget.  If the national debt grows, then there is a budget deficit.  In 2000, the year Clinton supposedly did this the national debt grew by nearly $18 billion.  The economy tanked early in Bush’ first term due to 9/11 and Clinton era economic policies that failed.  After the bush tax cuts the economy grew at a record pace with record returns on taxes despite the cuts.  Then we see the coming of the forclosure crisis, where banks (not Bush) made bad loans.  These loans were allowed by a Clinton era law (again not Bush) that matured at the end of W’s second term. 

The accusation you made is that we are morons and “to stupid(with one “o”) to read history.” That sentence means you think we can’t read, but amazingly we can write a coherent response that in the most part follows the basic rules of grammar.

Posted by Nick ( www ) | 02/17/09, 07:03 PM EST

You’ve heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man’s sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you’ve demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You’ve sacrificed justice to mercy,  and happiness to duty.

Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I will resist you. I will reach them and tell them about the game you are playing and where it will take them. I will explain the consequences of your ‘brother-love’ morality, which they have been too innocently generous to understand. You won’t find those that enabled you when you will need them more than ever.

We will go on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We will teach them the morality of Reason—that it was right to pursue one’s own happiness as one’s principal goal in life. I don’t consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else’s life.

I am a trader. I earn what I get in trade for what I produce. I ask for nothing more or nothing less than what I earn. That is justice. I don’t force anyone to trade with me; I only trade for mutual benefit. Force is the great evil that has no place in a rational world. One may never force another human to act against his/her judgment. If you deny a man’s right to Reason, you must also deny your right to your own judgment. Yet you have allowed your world to be run by means of force, by men who claim that fear and joy are equal incentives, but that fear and force are more practical.

And then there’s your ‘brother-love’ morality. Why is it moral to serve others, but not yourself? If enjoyment is a value, why is it moral when experienced by others, but not by you? Why is it immoral to produce something of value and keep it for yourself, when it is moral for others who haven’t earned it to accept it? If it’s virtuous to give, isn’t it then selfish to take?

Your acceptance of the code of selflessness has made you fear the man who has a dollar less than you because it makes you feel that that dollar is rightfully his. You hate the man with a dollar more than you because the dollar he’s keeping is rightfully yours. Your code has made it impossible to know when to give and when to grab.

You know that you can’t give away everything and starve yourself. You’ve forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn’t built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

Then it began apologizing for its greatness and began giving away its wealth, feeling guilty for having produced more than its neighbors. I saw what was wrong with the world and where the battle for Life had to be fought. I saw that the enemy was an inverted morality and that my acceptance of that morality was its only power. I refuse to give up the pursuit of my own happiness in order to serve others.

To those of you who retain some remnant of dignity and the will to live your lives for yourselves, you have the chance to make the same choice. Examine your values and understand that you must choose one side or the other. Any compromise between good and evil only hurts the good and helps the evil.

If you’ve understood what I’ve said, stop supporting your destroyers. Don’t accept their philosophy. Your destroyers hold you by means of your endurance, your generosity, your innocence, and your love. Don’t exhaust yourself to help build the kind of world that you see around you now. In the name of the best within you, don’t sacrifice the world to those who will take away your happiness for it.

The world will change when you are ready to pronounce this oath:

I swear by my Life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for the sake of mine.

Posted by spinpolitico | 02/20/09, 07:41 PM EST

So have the latest polls finally driven the message home to Republicans? Apparently not. They continue to support - and abjectly bow to - mob-inciting conservative talk show entertainer Rush Limbaugh, who proudly stands behind his very public and fervent hope that President Obama fail.bv

Posted by Stan | 03/06/09, 12:20 PM EST

I just love the way you Libs have the intellect of a sponge, and just soak up everything you hear and then regurgitate as if it were truth.

I happened to watch the entire speech.  His words were:  “IF he wants to replace Captialism with Socialism, then I Hope he fails”.  So would any “American”.  We were not built on Socialistic principles, this country was built on Capitalism.

He further went on to say:  “while other countries have been around for thousands of years, our Great Nation became the worlds leading superpower, the worlds leading manufacuring center…etc etc…in under 300 years.  We have surpassed every nation in the world…so why on earth would I want a philosophy that is theirs”? 

You want to malign yourselves with the “losers”.  Is he not correct?  You do not beleive we became the greatest nation on earth?  Well, he is 100% correct…we did not do it by being Socialists.  So, IF Obama keeps foisting Socialism upon us…i want him to fail too.

Futher, as the effects of all his failed economic plans begin to affect more and more peolple, his popularity will wane.  The Stock Market has already demonstrated what it thinks of Obama and his policies.  DOwn again today…plunging down more and more each and every day.

The reason why he continues to have the popularity rating is you have to consider WHO voted for him in the first place.  Poll after poll was taken among the average voters…which basically showed they NEVER once read a single policy, have NO knowledge about politics, Congress, the Senate, legislation or the legistlative processes….basically, he rallied the dumb, the poor, the illiterate, solely on smooth talking.  Here is a man that never worked in Federal Politics…has a sewage of slum lords, communists, terrorists, radicals, and other questionable characters swirling about his ankles that woudl have totally disqualified him had he been a man in anyone esles skin…and contnually support by morons like you that cannot even see how you are being fattened up just to be led to the slaughter house.  CHAINS you can beleive in.  YOu just can’t see, will not see, nor will bother to even inquire and discover, the shit happening around you.  Rather pathetic that idiots like you are even allowed to vote.  The Democrats just LOVE your type!  lol

Posted by spinpolitico | 03/06/09, 02:07 PM EST

What is so laughably pathetic about your sort is this:

Have you EVER heard any Republican official make a national press release of hold apress conference in which they said:  “don’t listen to Oprah”, (or whomever)?  NEVER. What is so pathetic is that you do not see anything wrong in this…you do not even question it.  You cant think for yourself. 

Obama’s “economy” package not only will be a dismal failure (it has ZERO chance of success), it will also damn near bankrupt this country, it will cause unbeleivable runaway inflation, and in 18 months your taxes are going to be raised to levels you never dreamed possible.  Of course, as an Eye Closer in a Sardine Factory living at Momma’s home, this has no great impact upon you…YET.  Wait until you grow up.  Wait until you actually might own a home but you are no longer able to write off your mortgage interest, and your take home pay is between 31-39% and your dollar goes so much less because the prices for everything is so much higher. 

One cannot talk to a cretin like you, so unfortunately, it will just have to be “i told you so’ when the time comes.  Wait 18 months, then lets hear what you have to say then.  In the meantime, try not to express an opinion, it only reveals how uninformed and stupid you are.  With your mouth shut, you might fool someone into thinking you are intelligent.  Don’t open it and dispell the myth.

Posted by spinpolitico | 03/06/09, 02:32 PM EST

I hope the republicans say NO to Obama! And yes, the American people are going to hold NOW the democrats responsible for the fall of America. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, and the rest of the corrupt democrats are no different than the terrorist. Does anyone remember Obama saying the day before the election in CA. that he was going to have a civilian task force that would be equal in equipment and funds just like our military? I feel that just maybe that a lot of this money is being funneled just for that purpose! Obama is doing what Hitler had done…Obama has to get rid of talk radio, get the weapons from the people, then he can be the dictator that he wants to be. There is a war coming and you stupid people that voted for Obama will be in slaved with the rest of us. SO, WAKE UP THOSE OF YOU THAT VOTED FOR OBAMA! And those of you “law makers” get off of that pedestal and listen to what 70% of America people are saying to you. Remember that the blood shed will be on your hands.

Posted by Russell | 03/06/09, 06:20 PM EST

Nick is exactly right.  Wait until this “bill comes due” folks…it might look like something that is going to save the world now, but where is all this money going to come from?
Dog Obedience

Posted by Daniel ( www ) | 03/07/09, 02:00 AM EST
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